Nourish & Empower

New Season; Still Us

• Jessica Coviello & Maggie Lefavor • Season 2 • Episode 1

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Missed us? We’re back for season two with real talk and zero fluff, catching you up on life changes and digging into the ideas shaping mental health, nutrition, and recovery right now.

Trigger warning: This show is not medical, nutrition, or mental health treatment and is not a replacement for meeting with a Registered Dietitian, Licensed Mental Health Provider, or any other medical provider. You can find resources for how to find a provider, as well as crisis resources, in the show notes. Listener discretion is advised.


Resource links:

ANAD: https://anad.org/

NEDA: https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

NAMI: https://nami.org/home

Action Alliance: https://theactionalliance.org/

NIH: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/


How to find a provider: 

https://map.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us

https://www.healthprofs.com/us/nutritionists-dietitians?tr=Hdr_Brand


Suicide & crisis awareness hotline: call 988 (available 24/7)


Eating Disorder hotline: call or text 800-931-2237 (Phone line is available Monday-Thursday 11 am-9 pm ET and Friday 11 am-5 pm ET; text line is available Monday-Thursday 3-6 pm ET and Friday 1-5 pm ET)


If you are experiencing a psychiatric or medical emergency, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.


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SPEAKER_00:

Hey guys, it's Jess and Maggie. Welcome back to season two. Trigger warning to start, we will be discussing currently today just mental health and nutrition, kind of like the basics thus far. Listener discretion is advised. This show is not medical, nutritional, or mental health treatment and is not a replacement for meeting with a registered dietitian, a licensed mental health provider, or any other medical provider. You can find resources on how to find a provider as well as crisis resources in our show notes.

SPEAKER_01:

We're back. Hi everyone. We're so excited to be back. It's like a very much a deja vu feeling happening here.

SPEAKER_00:

It is. And I don't know why like nostalgic is the word that comes to mind, but it's almost like so nostalgic. I'm just, I feel like a whole part of me is whole again coming back here.

SPEAKER_01:

That's so sweet. I missed it. And so much has happened. I know. I know. So I don't even remember exactly the timeline of when our last episode was.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, let me tell you. My brain, here we go. Our last episode literally was happy anniversary to the podcast. So our last episode went up on February 26th of 2024. I think that was the exact date. I could be wrong. Because it was the week of Nita. Because I remember that. Yes. Yeah, because I was getting ready for my wedding, which is crazy. Now I've been married for a year and a half.

unknown:

Ugh!

SPEAKER_00:

Blissful. And that's one of the big reasons why we took a break.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. And my husband donated an organ. Yes, he in the same month that you got married. And so a lot happening in my family at that point. So I needed a break for that reason. You had everything going on with the wedding. So it felt like a nice time to pause.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And then we are so excited now to be back and working under the same roof, which is even more exciting that we're both at Hilltop Behavioral Health together.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because now you can't get rid of me. You're stuck with me in all aspects of life, honey. Literally. Yeah. Dynamic duos forever.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, exactly. So yeah, so we're back. We're excited. We have so many ideas for new episodes. And as always, we want to hear from you. So if you have ideas with episodes, if you have guests you'd like us to interview, we definitely want to hear from you. And feel free to reach out to us on Instagram. And we are going to take all of those suggestions into consideration and put them in our episodes.

SPEAKER_00:

We are just so excited. There's, you know, not being here for a year, there's so many different things, not only in our own personal lives, but in the world that have been going on that just, you know, tickles our brain, that makes us want to have so many different conversations. So we are just like super excited and thrilled to be back.

SPEAKER_01:

So since it's been like a year and a half, we thought that it would be a great idea to reintroduce ourselves and even like re-interview each other. Because if you are a longtime listener, episode one, season one was an interview of us. And so we will not, you know, we'll keep this a little bit more brief as it was that first episode as we were learning podcasting and what episode lengths look like. But we thought it'd be a great idea to just kind of revisit that, especially if there's anybody new here, so you can get a sense of us. So, Jess, why don't we have you start? Why don't you kind of reintroduce yourself for everybody?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, guys, I have like stage for it. I don't know why. I'm like so giggling like shy today, which, if you know me, shy is not who I am. Okay. So within the past year, so everyone, hello. I'm Jess. I'm one of the co-hosts here on Nourish and Empower. And I am the therapist here. Love food, but don't know any science. So that's where Mags comes in, my beautiful dynamic duo. The past year has been a lot for me, but in so many great, beautiful ways. You know, I've been at Hilltop for a year and a half, or actually longer than that. A year and 10 months. It's almost two full years. And in that time, Matt and I got married. It was the most beautiful day ever. I got married at the, you know, my dream venue. I was very blessed. You know, we got married at the park chateau, so I felt like Belle on my wedding day, and that's all I ever wanted. So I was very happy. And we had our honeymoon, it was beautiful. We went to Turks and Caicos, and I never wanted to come home, but here we are. We had to come back to reality. And in that year of us being married, we got pregnant and have our beautiful, our beautiful bundle of joy. Our son, and I could cry because mom emotions are very much a thing. And you know me, I was already emotional. And now having a kid, it's heightened, and I didn't think that ever could be a thing, but it is. You know, and our son is two months old now. Pregnancy was one of the toughest and the most beautiful things I've ever experienced. So that is definitely a topic I would love to bring onto the pod, especially because I had some complications during pregnancy and a lot of scares going into birth that I think would be fun to talk about, which is weird saying fun because it was not fun in the moment, but could be a good time. But yeah, so that's us. You know, we are still located where we've been, and I never want to move because it's just such a great location, but I would like more space, so we'll figure that out. But yeah, otherwise, pretty status quo. Just a very great addition to our lives, our little CJ.

SPEAKER_01:

And he's so sweet. You guys are so lucky. But yeah, I mean, so much has happened for you in the past year plus. That's like hearing you. Obviously, I was around for all of it, but like hearing you reflect back on it, it just hits different.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. It's crazy to think that. Because I remember when, because right, I was six months pregnant at our like one-year anniversary, and I remember people being like, wow, you didn't really waste any time. And I was like, one, no. But two, it's just one of those things where like I've always wanted to be a mom. Like if you knew me my entire life, like ever since I was 16, I was just like, motherhood is what I like can't wait for. Like, I was a mother's helper and babysitting from 13 on. So kids is just always a part of my life I've just loved. So as soon as we got married, I was like, okay, so we're gonna start a family. And Matt was like, let's enjoy being husband and wife first, then maybe. And I'm like, no, no, no, like let's just have kids. And now literally I'm only two months postpartum. And I'm like, Matt, baby number two, he's like, Can we enjoy our son? And I'm like, I guess so. That's fine. So it's just a very it was quick turnaround, if you will, but I just it was the best thing ever. And I just love him so much.

SPEAKER_01:

No, and it's so generous of you two to offer to like have some episodes where we can talk about pregnancy and postpartum, and you know, because there's obviously things nutritionally there, but so much with the emotions as well. Yeah. Um, and we are hopefully going to be interviewing somebody who specialized in pelvic floor PT because obviously, you know, a lot of people can do pelvic floor PT outside of pregnancy and you know, before birth and postpartum. Yeah. Um, but especially at that time. So we are excited to have some episodes more geared towards all of that as well.

SPEAKER_00:

A hundred percent. Especially because you brought up nutrition and pregnancy, and we can talk about my doctor's visit. I had 17 weeks, which was the worst doctor's appointment I've ever had in my life, which brought me, or the second worst one. You know, I really felt in the shoes of a lot of our clients. So I think that would also be like a really I want to be able to share all these experiences with everybody. So I am really excited to dive into those.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And I think too, I mean, I remember us talking about that appointment. And so I think you sharing your experience would be so beneficial for so many people too.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, well, yeah, immediately I literally said to Matt, we were leaving the appointment. I was like, I have to call Maggie. And he he was like, uh okay. And I was like, Bags, it literally was panicked, but it was good learning experience. Yeah, that's a good reframe. That's a generous reframe of you. I try growth. We all have to have it at some point, you know? Yeah, exactly. But enough about me, Maggie.

SPEAKER_01:

How about you? Yeah, I can reintroduce myself as well. And so if you don't know me, I am Maggie. I'm a registered dietitian, which is truly the best career in the entire world that anybody could ask for. And yeah, I would say, like professionally, in the past year and a half since we were recording, I joined Till Top Behavioral Health in June. So it's been a couple of months. It's been such a wonderful, seamless transition. And I also last year started teaching at a college adjuncting, which is something I always wanted to do. My mom's an adjunct professor, so I kind of grew up a little bit, you know, in that world and seeing what it was like. And that's been such a great experience, number one, but kind of brings up too when you said, like, you know, I don't know a lot about the science behind food. So the course that I teach is called the science of nutrition. And so it's a really kind of, you know, fun course where yes, there's like practical applications to it, but a lot of it is really helping the students understand like macronutrients, micronutrients, like what does our body actually do with all of this? And I think it's a class. I mean, I wish everybody could take it because I think it would help with our nutrition education in general. Um, but especially it's it's such a great class. And I personally just love the like science reminders that come up with it too, because you know, it's a 100-level nutrition course. So it's something that I took, you know, over 10 years ago. So it's such a nice like refresher for some topics, and I've been really, really enjoying that. Personally, like I mentioned earlier, you know, my husband donated an organ in 2024, so that was a big learning experience nutritionally, but obviously, you know, brought up a lot personally and was, you know, a huge part of our life, still is actually a really big part of our life and and will be. And then I just move a lot. And so I've moved multiple times. I was trying to think about that. I was like, I have recorded this podcast in like three different homes. Oh my god. Because that is just we move a lot, apparently, which I never thought would happen, but here we are. So I would say that's probably been like the main few things. I am very excited because I'm very, very close to getting my certified eating disorder specialist certification. I passed the exam yesterday. And yeah, in classic Maggie fashion, did not tell anybody that I was taking it. I was on the phone with my mom yesterday and she's like, What are you doing this weekend? And I'm like, I don't know, maybe we'll golf. I'm not sure. I'm gonna run some errands. And then like six hours later, I sent the email that was like I passed, and she was like, You really kept that quiet. And I I always do that though. I don't like anybody knowing when I take a test or my road test or anything.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So I I kept it quiet, but I did pass that exam yesterday, which is really exciting. And I'm just excited for the opportunities that like having that certification can bring. It's something I've always wanted. And, you know, we've both been in this field right around the same amount of time, like eight between eight and nine years. And so it just feels like a really good time to have that like next step with it.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. I was really looking into it to start this year, and then I got pregnant, and my first trimester was horrific. So I was like, I can't do this. So, but it's it, it's one of those things where, like, do you need a certification when you've been working in this field for so long? Not necessarily, right? Like, so many people are educated, right? Like, I would never question you if you did or you didn't have that certification, but there is just something, especially for you as a provider, that's just so empowering to be like I, because it takes a lot of work to get that certification. The amount of exams, the amount of case conceptualizations, the amount of readings you have to do, coursework. Like it is a very involved certification to obtain. And it's I mean, I literally was like screaming in my text messages yesterday. I literally got so emotional for you. Like I saw your text message. Like, that's it's just a great, phenomenal thing that you did.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think it helps the imposter syndrome a little bit too, because it's like we obviously are experts in this field, but I feel like it just gives that like extra validation of like you are an expert in this thing. And my husband and I always joke that like some people know a little bit about a lot of topics, and some people know a lot about one specific topic. And like we always say that with me because I am the definition of like constantly learning. Like he said a word today, and I'm like, what does that mean? You know, and he slinged it. I'm like, oh, wow. You know, like I am I learn new things constantly because I'm so specialized with this one thing. But you know, after that exam yesterday, like that was the thought that kept running through my mind. I was like, this is like that real proof that's like, you know, a ton about this one very specific topic, but like what you know, an amazing like privilege our our work is. So, like, if that's the topic that I have all my knowledge in, like, I'll take that every day a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00:

I had a thought. Oh, shenanigans. Here we go again with Jessica's brain that comes in and comes straight out. Were you gonna ask me something? Yeah, I was indeed. And I was gonna validate something too, but now I don't remember what it was. Oh, maybe imposter syndrome learning. I think it was like having, oh, it's almost yes, because when you're saying imposter syndrome and having the certification gives you that sense of like, okay, no, like I am an expert. I feel like too, because a lot of people are skeptical with like therapy and dietary work in general, having those credentials, it not only gives you the confidence, but it also like shows people like, no, look, I like I'm real, like please believe me, because it it shows that you've done all of the work and like you have these letters for a reason. So, like, if anyone were to question, it's like, go ahead, but I have the thing that proves to you that you're wrong and I'm right. And it just I feel like it does help with that, like solidifying the comfort of I am an expert with it all.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, at least to me. No, I could see that because I no, I I think that makes a lot of sense. And I I especially feel that way with dietetics sometimes, where people, you know, maybe don't always have an understanding of like, what does a registered dietitian do? What would I talk about with you? How would a session go? Like, how could you be a part of this team? Yeah. And so I do think there's like, yeah, an extra kind of validation for that too, of seeing like, okay, yes, this is why a treatment team has a therapist, has a dietitian, has a doctor, has these other specialties. I feel like it does, you know, I'm so excited when dietitians are like in leadership positions and like getting certifications and doing all these things. So I feel like our field has come such a long way. And so many people are trying to redefine like what it means to be a dietitian. And so yeah, I could definitely see what you mean there too. I feel like it kind of opens up the door of being like, oh yeah, no, a dietitian is really important and they are an expert here too.

SPEAKER_00:

I feel like, especially with the diet culture and the thoughts people have about nutrition, and it just all the negativity that's surrounding it. So even just having the specialty and being like, no, no, no, we know what we're talking about, and these companies don't, or you know, these you know, random people who think that they can talk about nutrition, and it's like, no, you can't, like it really just gives, I feel like, so much more of a backbone and like that brace of oh, there are experts that know what's going on. Oh, like there are people and dietitians, like it has always made sense, but unfortunately, when toxicity is just very, very strong, which diet culture is in our world, this just gives a little bit more of oh, I think for some people.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, absolutely. And I will say too, I mean, I've been thinking about this a lot, how diet culture, I feel like in the past, I guess, year and a half since we last recorded, I feel like diet culture kind of rebranded in this sneaky way, where it's now like wellness culture. And so I just I feel like I look at a lot of that stuff because I like to know like what other people are probably seeing. So when they come in and ask me questions about it, you know, I feel like I have the knowledge behind it exactly. But I do feel like there's been this sneaky rebrand where like it's not really it's it's diet culture, but it's like diet culture in this Halloween costume, basically, where it's like now wellness culture and it has kind of the same roots, but it's sort of like getting this resurgence because it looks like shiny and new and different to people.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I agree. I feel like they're still trying to push weight loss and like negative body things, but they're trying to word it in such a different way. Like I remember, I think it was last year when Oprah did that conversation with Weight Watchers. Did you see that?

SPEAKER_01:

Oprah had it sound familiar, but I'm like, I don't remember the timeline, or and I definitely didn't watch it.

SPEAKER_00:

There was this, we talked about in treatment team at Hilltop, and there was this like a three-hour segment that Oprah did. I'm pretty sure it was the CEO of Weight Watchers, and you know, they were having the conversation of like love your body, like all these things. And I don't know, to me, I just felt like it was contradictory the whole time because the woman and you know, the CEO was talking about how no, you should love your body, but then also promoting her weight loss program and like the like Weight Watchers and everything. And I feel like the way there were certain instances where she was talking about like, I'm sorry for the way that you know things were put out there, and I'm sorry for you know how aggressive weight loss is in this country, which as a provider I really appreciated, like an apology for it all. But I do think that, you know, the way that certain things were worded, and that specifically was very much just in the token of we're sorry, but here let's keep talking about the things that's gonna make my company grow. And I agree with you. I think like they're just trying to take pretty words and nice, more neutral words, but still trying to push their own agenda with it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And as you were describing that too, what came to mind for me was like how confusing that is for people. You know, because it's like, and again, because we've been doing this work for for so long, I feel like we look at things a little bit differently. And so, like for us, you know, I like immediately was deciphering as you were speaking, like, oh, okay, like that's a really, you know, like confusing message. But then again, for people who are hearing that for the first time, and I I find this so often, you know, when we talk to clients about like body neutrality or intuitive eating, things like that, like there is also this recognition that one people may be hearing that information for the very first time in their entire life, and so it can feel confusing for that reason. Or, and I think this kind of re-emphasizes the point that you were making too, people may have heard some of those topics, but almost in this like wellness culture way, which then again makes like giving the actual information feel really confusing because it's just different. And if you haven't heard it before, of course it's gonna be confusing to decipher.

SPEAKER_00:

100%. Because, you know, they're still promoting changing yourself, and it's not, and again, maybe I'm cynical and maybe I'm taking it a certain way, and I can always be honest with, you know, my own perception of things, but I just feel like if you really want someone to love themselves, allow them to love themselves and who they are currently in the space and in the place that they're in, because you know, very much how people will say if they don't love you at your worst, they don't deserve you at your best. But why can't we also think of that within ourselves, right? Like, why do I have to always be my best in order for me to deserve to love myself? Like, I want to love myself and to be able to pick myself off the ground when I'm at my worst. I want to see all the good in me when I'm not my absolute best. And your best might be in a certain body size. Your best might be, you know, eating certain types of foods. And I feel like when like Weight Watchers or other programs are saying, Oh, be your best self, but our clients or our family members or whomever are like, okay, you're telling me to be my best self and love myself, but then I still have to change. Like those two things I feel like are it's not like a betterment, like, oh, don't be anxious all the time. Let's find a way to grow. Like, I just feel like it's so different and it's not helpful. So to your point, I feel like it's just a confusing thing all the time. And it just makes me sad for people that hear this because especially kids, how do you know what's like I'm really loving myself versus I'm changing myself in order to approve that I can love myself?

SPEAKER_01:

That's conditional, yeah. Like that when you were describing it, I'm like, it's a condition, it's conditional. And so I feel like that's such a big piece of it too. Of you know, how can we and even right? Maybe it's not even loving ourselves, maybe it's more neutral than that, but in an unconditional way, because life is messy and things are tough, and you know, there's you're not gonna be your best every single day, and that's okay, and no one's expecting that. But I also think it's removing that condition that gets set too.

SPEAKER_00:

I agree. Because there's also so many different seasons in life where naturally you're going to struggle, or naturally, you know, your body's going to change, or naturally your food intake is going to change in the sense of like the types of foods that you're eating, and thinking that one way is great and one way isn't, and one way is your best and one way isn't, continues just to put that negative connotation and like that negative pressure on you. And I just feel like when we're constantly striving for our best, we also need to recognize that like our best is different all the time. Right? Like, especially, and I'm gonna be talking about me being a mom so much, so apologies, everyone's gonna want to throw up because now this is who I am. But like when I'm not sleeping, which you know, currently I am because my son loves me so much, I can't handle it. But like, you know, in the beginning, you know, in his first month, he wasn't sleeping through the night, right? We weren't getting the six, seven hour stretches of sleep. And even now with me pumping, like I still have to wake up in the middle of the night to do what I gotta do. So I'm constantly on broken sleep. My best on broken sleep is not my best when I'm sleeping through the night and I don't have to worry about taking care of a child, but you have but like you're constantly changing. So if I put pressure on myself to be who that person was pre-motherhood, or like, you know, at a different time in my life, that would be so mean.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's it's an unrealistic expectation. Yeah, right. And so, you know, we're setting an unrealistic expectation. How can I meet it? But then when we don't meet it, the thought bully probably comes in of like, well, why can't you, you know, do this? Or why, or those, those own like self-comparisons come in as well, like similar to what you're describing, you know, like yeah, but with you being a mom versus pre-motherhood, right? Like those self-comparisons, and like I think a big piece of it is accepting the change, which is hard to do, but you know, not to minimize it at all, but like accepting the changes and the different seasons of life that happen.

SPEAKER_00:

One of the quotes that I always love and I always say to clients is that like change is the only constant we have in life, right? And so, like if we know that we're constantly that change is always going to happen. So it's not if something changes, it's when, but we don't know the when, which is why we hate change, or like what the change is going to be like on the other side. Totally fair. Unknowns are scary, unknowns suck. Very well aware of that. I think it's just, you know, we have to give ourselves that grace because are there times where I wake up in the morning and I'm like, oh, I wish I would be able to have my old routine back, you know, because I like being able to have certain hours to do certain things because that's how my brain was structured for so long. Absolutely. But now I'm like, okay, is my son gonna wake up at five, six, or seven? Is he gonna feed? Is he gonna have to get his diaper change? What is he gonna have to do? So when do I walk the dog? Like, nothing is the same anymore. So yeah, you might have those thoughts, but like again, it's about the grace. And then it's, you know, a saying, this is my best. And I don't need to change in order to be my best. I don't need to change in order to love myself. It's just I love myself in this season. And I just wish people would allow them to be there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, that was beautifully said. Absolutely. I wonder too, not to switch the topic too much, but I feel like kind of what we're talking about is more so some of the themes in therapy that are in the therapy world, I should say, that are, you know, kind of more on the forefront for you. So I'm curious as a therapist, you know, what else are the themes that you feel like right now? We're kind of at the end of 2025, we're you know, we're heading into a new year soon. Like, what are some of the therapeutic themes that you feel like you see?

SPEAKER_00:

It's a really good question, Maggie. It's a really good question.

SPEAKER_01:

That I gave you no prep for.

SPEAKER_00:

Listen, everything is fine. Where just put me in the hot seat, why don't you? That's a really good question. I feel like permission is a big thing, right? Like, I have a few clients where it's, you know, whether it's permission for body image or even the permission to recover, the permission to struggle, the permission to have an extra meal, to have a bite of, you know, more food than what typically their eating disorder would allow them to have, or to dress the the way they want it, to just be themselves, to advocate. I feel like a lot of times when it comes to autonomy and when it comes to growth, we feel like we need somebody else to give us permission to do the thing. Because it's almost like, am I allowed to set a boundary? Am I allowed to change? Am I allowed to struggle? Right. Because I know I don't know if you've experienced this, Maggie, but I know too, like in the past, you know, I've I've heard in sessions, I'm afraid if I show I'm too healthy, I'm gonna be told I don't need therapy anymore. Or I'm afraid if I come into therapy and I tell you I'm struggling, but I've done really well, then I'm failing and I'm not doing therapy right. And I feel like so, in order to allow the ebbs and flows of life, right? Like we're saying, there's always change. So whether it's change because you're doing really well, change because you're struggling, whatever it is, you know, I feel a lot of people struggle sometimes to accept it. And then because of that struggle of acceptance, they don't feel like they have the permission. And it kind of is like this cycle. So I would say like that's been a very big theme with uh a lot of things that I've seen.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's super interesting.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's hard, right? Because I understand as a people pleaser myself, right? Like, I understand you don't want to upset people, right? You don't want someone to look at you and be like, oh my god, we're here again. And the thing about therapy though is that like you can go, you can enter that door however many times you need to. If you have a strong rapport with your therapist, may they sit there and be like, Why are we here again? Yeah, but it's because there is a compassion and there's an interest and you're in therapy to be challenged, right? You don't come to therapy for someone just to let you go down your paths. You go because you want to seek change. So you know it's it's always an interesting thing to see, but you know, sometimes I forgot where I was going with all that to be quite honest with you. But that's okay. Yeah, permission.

SPEAKER_01:

That's fair. Permission is a is an important theme.

SPEAKER_00:

Mom brain. But yeah, that's probably been the biggest one that I've seen so far. Or like wrapping up the year.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01:

It's interesting. Yeah. I would love to do an episode on that more so too.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Have you seen anything? Because especially with us talking about us noticing and obviously we have like a very different eye for diet culture and themes or even like trends that are happening with food and nutrition and body image. Has there been anything that you've seen positive or negative in the world nutrition wise?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no definitely. I mean I feel like to be honest this past week I've been like so invested in everything happening with Snap that and like thinking about some of those things and like how nutrition and food is a basic human right and you know just all of all of like the articles and stuff around the SNAP benefits funding. And so I've been really kind of focused on that. And I would say in addition I mean and I would love to do a whole entire episode on this but I think the GLPs are definitely something that you know was a theme when we were recording previously but I don't think to the same extent that it is now because I think I think years ago there was more of like the celebrity Ozempic kind of media out there. And now I feel like we're kind of seeing less of sort of that like celebrity Hollywood media portrayal and it's coming up more in like the everyday life right like friends, family, you know, just people in the neighborhood like people around you. And so I want to you know I would love to do a full kind of episode talking about that. And the one thing I will say with it now is just and this is like my nerdy dietitian brain like there is this interesting piece with it of like we are in the moment of the science when it comes to the GLPs like we are like they're years down the road from now like they're going to be talking about studies in 2025 for example. So like we're seeing science happen in the moment and as providers we are too like there's you know I do a lot of learning and webinars and things like that on GLPs and especially GLPs in eating disorder treatment and there's always new things that I'm learning in the ones that I do even when they're like two months apart from each other. You know so we're all learning in the moment which is just something I think is is super fascinating about it. That's really interesting. Yeah. But I would say though outside of that and I don't I guess this is I don't know if this is a good or a bad thing but I feel like a lot of the like nutrition diet wellness culture trends like are the same. I feel like we're still very stuck on this like protein focus there's still a lot of negativity about carbs like I don't think that we've we've done a lot of growth away from that yeah and even the other day I saw a Starbucks commercial that was like protein coffee and I you know my husband and we were with two friends we were all kind of like really do we really need like can't we just have a coffee? Yes. Do we really need the like the protein focus and the protein marketing there too and not to say protein isn't important. Protein is so super important but it just feels I feel like from a diet trend we're kind of stuck in that and I'm seeing like the same cycle with it over and over. I agree. So yes there's been a lot with nutrition but I also think in some ways it's it feels kind of like stagnant there too.

SPEAKER_00:

I agree. When I saw that about Starbucks with their protein coffee and protein cold foam I was like can any is anything sacred anymore? And I know that sounds so weird to say like food like well I do think food is sacred but you know I think it's so like a weird thing to say because everything is tainted like you can't just have a drink or you know whether it's like a skinny margarita or a protein coffee like you can't just have a meal or have a beverage with it just being that as it is and I think that's one of the things that frustrates me so much with our culture because just like you said like it's confusing. Right? Like how are you supposed to take in oh I just want a coffee well am I doing the right thing by not getting the protein oh I just want to drink well do I have to get this do I have to like there are so many oh just enjoy your life but here come and have this variation of it things in this world that it's it just makes me sad.

SPEAKER_01:

I saw this thing a few weeks ago and it it cracked me up and I don't think other people will find it that funny but I feel like I I sometimes need that and it was so simple it was just a post on Instagram that said do we think protein wants to be in all these things and I I thought it was just so funny. So I'm like protein probably doesn't want to be in all these things. And again I don't think anybody else besides maybe us would find that funny but I think about it all the time now since I've seen it whenever I see like protein infused whatever I'm like does protein want to be in that no if we have protein he probably doesn't want to be in that probably not and that's the thing right like why do we need protein and everything and just like you're saying do I love that certain things are now getting seen yes like I love that we're seeing that there are nutrients that aren't so negative but there are moments where too much positivity can become a negative too much attention can be a negative.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think you know at some point people are going to start saying oh well do I have enough protein do I have to do this do I have to do that not realizing that once again too much of something is bad. So how much protein can our body digest? Not as much as people think probably so it's like at some point we have to just let food be food and allow people to just be people and I I just I hope in our lifetime we get to see that. I don't know if we will but I hope so too.

SPEAKER_01:

I think it goes back to your permission topic because I think like you said then all of that questioning all of the overthinking comes in and it all relates back to what you said with permission too. I agree yeah I agree well I'm feel so excited that we're back me too that we uh I feel like I've thought of 10 new episode topics just as we're talking because I think there's so many things that we introduced today that would be amazing to spend uh a full episode or more than an episode on.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

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But as always, you know please reach out to us. We want to hear from you what would be helpful we have some ideas to change things up for season two. You know there's some of the same guest interviews and things like that but we have some other ideas up our sleeve that we're really excited about. And so thanks for tuning in and we're really excited for a great season two.

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Yes thank you guys so much and as always let us know if you have any ideas. You know we always love to hear from you guys to see if there's anything that the public would like us to talk about too but buckle up ladies and gentlemen because we're back we're back amazing well thank you guys for tuning in as always and we will see you in the next episode. Bye. Bye thank you so much for listening to this episode of Nourish and Empower Podcast.

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